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Greg Graffin
Born In: Madison, Wisconsin
Current Home: Ithaca, Ny
Academic History:BA in Anthropology from UCLA, BS in Geology from UCLA, MS in Geology from UCLA, currently focusing on PhD in Evolutionary Biology-Paleontology at Cornell University
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A Punk Synopsis
About two weeks ago I received a letter from the punker who said he used to be keen on Bad Religion. "Used to be", that is, until we allow him to down by releasing our latter albums which didn't fit his meaning of punk. There weren't any songs against the establishment, he claimed (which isn't true incidentally), just how are you able to call it Bad Religion? "Indeed how can you guys call yourself punk?" He continued to imply we don't know anything about what punk is because we're so "out of it". He was clearly angry, and intolerant of what our recent music actually had to say. He believed that the sanctity from the punk establishment had been infringed on somehow by our latter albums (but he also noted that our previous seven albums weren't guilty of such treason).
The very same day I came across someone in the pub within the town where I live and he recognized me because the singer of Bad Religion. Such as the guy who sent me the letter, he too would be a punker, but he wasn't angry or judgmental. We talked for a short period and that he spoke about how exactly increasingly these days young adults generally are hostile to strangers, and don't wish to pay attention to anyone however their own comfortable circle of friends. And about how people appear to be motivated nowadays by some unseen force to be closed minded. His open desire to have opinion, and the concentrate on relevant issues were refreshing and it helped me remember all of the great things about the punkers I knew growing up and still interact with today: open-minded, inclusive, unpretentious and not presumptuous, and willing to confront the people or institutions that seemed unfair or unjust. Rather than worrying with establishing an institution within which we're able to exclude others (which, sadly, is what many punkers really want), we were interested in including people who felt estranged by, or disillusioned with their social surroundings.
For the reason that eventually I experienced the best things about punk, the traits exhibited by the kid on the street, and the worst things about punk: the negative, self-righteous, dogmatic thinking of the kid who wrote the letter. Each of them were self-acknowledged punkers yet these were from almost opposite ideological poles. For 16 years now I have been a member of this strange sub-culture, and that i have come to realize that you will find both liberal and conservative wings from it. For the reason that sense it's a microcosm of society in general.
It is an inane task to define punk universally. Its meaning is fuzzied everywhere by contextual circumstance. A 16 year-old girl from an affluent religious family who consistently shows up to church on Sunday with her green mohawk and "Fuck Jesus" shirt is punk. But so is a 42 years old biology professor who claims that Charles Darwin's ideas were wrong. Neither person has ever encountered,[url=http://woolrichschweizch.gengfl.com/][b]http://woolrichschweizch.gengfl.com/[/b][/url], nor met, each other, nor hung out together in the same underground club. And yet their challenge to established institutions and revulsion to dogmatic thinking links them spiritually. Whether this is genetic or learned is unknown. But I too feel a kinship with everyone who shares these traits. I don't feel allied with those people who are exclusive, elitist, and who believe that their way of life is a model for how others should live theirs. My philosophy was instilled through the unbiased considering my parents obviously, but also through the turmoil I experienced becoming an adult. While I realize many kids had it harder than me, I have found that many individuals who call themselves punks had similar experiences.
In 1976, In the age of 11 I moved with my mom and brother towards the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. Like countless other victims of divorce in the 1970s I had to deal with the proven fact that my dad was now living far (in Racine, Wisconsin) and I wouldn't get to see him as much as other kids see theirs. This discomfort was compounded by the bewildering alienation I felt like a Wisconsin boy at Junior High School in the Los Angeles unified school district. I'd entered a landscape unlike anything I experienced in my 11 many years of life. I'd brownish fluffy, wavy hair, unfeatherable, impossible to mold in to the cool rock-and-roll hairdos from the 1970s that were so popular. I wore velour kids shirts from K-Mart, and corduroys also, since these were less expensive than jeans and we didn't have lots of money. I'd cheap shoes, usually also from K-Mart or Payless, always worn-out, with goofy logos that emulated the real popular brands that all the other kids wore. I rode a Sears 10-speed that was heavy, sluggish,[url=http://peutereyjacketsuppliers.webmium.com/][b]Peuterey Jacket Peuterey Jacket Manufacturers Peuterey Jacket[/b][/url], and couldn't jump or skid. I had a powder blue, plastic skateboard with noisy, open-bearing wheels, totally unfit for that skateboard parks that were very popular in southern California. I had never visited the beach during my life, and thought of it as a location to go swimming, not as a symbol for the way of life. We stayed up past midnight and ate frozen treats and soda,[url=http://woolrichdeutschlandarcticparka.albirank.net/][b]woolrich deutschland women online shop[/b][/url], but other than those I did not have much experience throwing parties. I had to spend about 6 months to understand that party was a synonym of getting high. I saw fellow 7th graders arrived at class with squinty eyes and euphoric smiles reeking of pot smoke (in the beginning I did not know what that smokey odor was). Fellow classmates in "shop-class" had secretive projects they presented only when the teacher, Mr. Feers, took his cigarette break. Their works contains salvaged polyurethane cylinders, sealed at the bottom, sanded smooth around the top, and some 1/4 inch holes quickly forged on the drill-press. All I knew was that there was some weird secret about all of this, and I was not someone who were thanks for visiting the information. Kids moved up the social ladder by revealing their knowledge of rock 'n roll culture and sharing their covert collections of black beauties, Quaaludes, and joints. If you partook within their offers, you had been one of them, a trusted confidant. Should you be afraid to partake, you had been a second-class loser. In other words, should you went combined with the flow,[url=http://rogerviviershoes.webmium.com/][b]sell 2013 discount Roger Vivier shoes outlet Roger Vivier on sale Roger Vivier shop[/b][/url], unquestioning and complacent, you had been accepted and rewarded with social status. If you questioned the norm, or went against the grain in any way, you had been set for a rocky ride down the social ladder.
I shriveled under this pressure. Unable to compete yet unwilling to seal down, I came into existence friends with a particular class of people that were labeled geeks, nerds, kooks, dorks,[url=http://monclerjacketsformenssale.albirank.net/][b]Cheap Moncler Jackets Womens Sale Moncler Jackets Mens Outlet[/b][/url], wimps, and pussies (or "wussies" if you combine these last two). We hung out together and did creative things after school, however the greatest alleviation of my suffering came from music. We'd an old spinet piano which i would bang on and sing songs I learned by ear. I wished to gain a musical identity much like my peers at school, however i wasn't inspired by the bands that formed the fabric of this burn-out drug culture: Led Zeppelin, Rush, Kiss, Journey, Foreigner, Styx, Ted Nugent, Bad Company,[url=http://monclerjacketsformenssale.albirank.net/][b]http://monclerjacketsformenssale.albirank.net/[/b][/url], Lynyrd Skynyrd among many others. that played Todd Rundgren every once in awhile. My pal in Wisconsin and that i had grown to like Todd and Utopia because they were melodic rock, but somewhat underneath the mainstream of popular music. Those characteristics still appeal to me today, and frequently guide my preferences for other bands.
I cannot overstate the significance of that radio show within the development of my musical personality. It had been called Rodney about the Roq (on station KROQ) also it proved that there was a whole community of people right there in the same city that used music to share their alienation and confusion concerning the culture around them. It also proved that you didn't have to be considered a virtuoso or signed to some major record label in order to be played within the airwaves. The particular recordings weren't slick high-budget productions. It was gloriously vulgar, and inspiring in its simplicity.
I wanted to be thing about this community of musicians. The background music was heartfelt and desperate. It spoke from the suffering that comes from the pressure to adapt, and also the burden that is placed on us by those who work in power, and the celebration of owned by a residential area of powerless misfits. yet it was delivered by such a variety of bands, from different backgrounds. I "went punk" at 15. I cut my wavy hair very short, dyed it pitch black, making my very own t-shirts. I was creative enough and also over the years I had attempted songwriting about the piano along with my friends playing pots and pans and taking advantage of cheap tape recorders. I was determined to submit a tape to Rodney about the Roq. Before any of that could materialize,[url=http://woolrichdeutschlandarcticparka.albirank.net/][b]woolrich outlet[/b][/url], I had been created by a fellow wussie towards the guys who does become Bad Religion. Towards the end of that same year, 1980, I'd made my first record and Rodney played it. Usually this would make anyone a hero at his high school, a veritable recording artist like a classmate! But my high-school peers were violently opposed to this new evolving subculture. It wasn't the kind of music that glorified sex,[url=http://woolrichdeutschlandarcticparka.albirank.net/][b]Woolrich Parka Günstig outlet[/b][/url], drugs, and rock-and-roll. It wasn't "mellow" also it didn't inspire people to get "wasted". I was seen as an enemy of their life-style. There were three of us at the school who were punkers. And all three of us at one time or another were physically beaten by people at school who attacked us only because of our musical preference. This scared me and at the same time made me feel powerful. It helped me realize how frail the majority of the conformists really were, how easily they could be pushed enough where they lose control. I found great solace in the community of other punkers from different schools, by using similar stories of oppression and abuse. The house became a hang-out and our garage became a rehearsal space (my mom was lenient, but additionally always at work, so there was no adult intervention). I began to seem like there was a method to cope with the disillusion of my cultural surroundings. But it was through questioning and challenging, not conforming and accepting.
This stance probably helped me more insightful about human social interaction, and a better critic; it helped me more cynical, and less understanding of those close to me who weren't punk, and therefore it definitely retarded my ability to have intimate relationships. We punkers were linked by what we thought would be a deeper cause, our need to overcome societal pressure. It was a tacit assumption that we had exactly the same feelings, because we were all treated similarly by our society. The emphasis was always about the collective turmoil of our group and never on individual personal issues (there have been much more songs about "us", "our",[url=http://woolrichdeutschlandarcticparka.albirank.net/][b]woolrich deutschland women online shop Woolrich Parka Günstig outlet[/b][/url], and "we" than about "I", "mine", and "me"). Maybe this is why so many of my close friends got totally hooked on hard drugs, and some killed themselves. My punk friends didn't practice understanding, we simply exhibited toleration.
This shortcoming naturally extended towards the sexes. I simply assumed that girls were equals on every level. They dressed similarly, had similar hairstyles, and even slam-danced with us boys. Their suffering was our suffering, it seemed to me. I i never thought that maybe they saw the punk scene from a unique perspective. "Women's issues" were not on our discussion agenda. Both sexes were too busy being stalwart, and hard. It was wonderfully equal, and that i was proud of my egalitarian view of the sexes. Unfortunately, it had been also an excuse not to address differences between the sexes. To this day, I am great at being tolerant with women's expressions, but bad at understanding their demands. And also the time with my male friends is spent referring to mundane issues or worldly problems, not personal desires or feelings. It has interfered with plenty of close friendships, and it has undermined my ability to be considered a good husband.
I decided to go to college. I anticipated it will be a place where dissenting voices were recognized and applauded. This romantic vision appealed to me. I loved playing in my band and contributing to the process of mainstream music, but I also needed more. I felt a desire to question much more of society than simply the background music scene and people's fashions. I figured that I could play in the band on weekends and vacations, and that i could write about the appropriate issues I was discussing at the university. But I realize now, looking back, the university was as replete using the pressure to conform as my senior high school was. Students were rewarded for thinking such as the professor. Only rarely did the professors attempt to educe original ideas from the students. More often we were rewarded for regurgitating the same rhetoric on tests they professed in the lectures, which were a lot more like state-of-the-union addresses in any given discipline. Although I was lucky enough to find three wonderful and inspiring faculty advisors who praised my originality making me feel smarter than I probably am, I had been saddened that there were so few like them. I became acutely conscious that the usual university experience for many students was one of indoctrination in to the prescriptive thinking of a privileged society. It had been a recipe for what was acceptable to society. And nowhere in that socialization process did they provide a troubleshooting help guide to cope with other ways of thinking. was only slightly better than average. But thanks to my advisors strong recommendations and insistence which i had original research ideas, I had been able to continue and receive a Master of Science degree in Geology. program too. Each of my higher-degree programs have educated me in that the secret weapon to success in today's world would be to walk that fragile line between understanding the dogma that is built into the prevailing ideology and showing the folks in energy that you've your own ideas too but aren't willing to infringe on the tolerance. Originality has a low tolerance threshold.
During the last year and one-half I have been privileged enough to travel with a lot more than many people do inside a life-time. When i became more worldly, I realized that at each level of society and culture there are teachings that dictate how individuals are designed to behave, which in some way or any other control people's freedom to express themselves and live happy lives. Personally i think that it's the gift to be human in order to challenge and confront those tenets, and share new ways to evoke originality from others. I'm glad that i am no animal.
Today, I've got a more sophisticated look at my social surroundings. I've children, I own a house, I've insurance, I make financial decisions. My insight into the planet comes from disparate sources: geology, organismic biology, music, travel, and fatherhood. This plurality insures my individuality. And learning to be an individual was the best gift I got from growing up punk. I'm alert to stereotypes, and try to not fit them. No geologist I've met is also experienced in the music business and likewise no musician I understand understands earth history like I actually do. I am proud of this unpredictable uniqueness.
Strangely, punk is quickly becoming mainstream. Last year, more people bought punk rock records, tapes, CDS, t-shirts, stickers, and show tickets, than ever before. As in any capitalistic situation, the punk market is experiencing a focal shift away from the original intent of the art (or product) toward the creation of a credo or indoctrination surrounding the marketing of the product. Why else would entire music labels market themselves as "punk labels"? Since they're selling fashion and creating a sub-cultural retinue instead of promoting honesty and creativity of its artists. This is a sad state of affairs within the music business occurring in the independent-label level plus the majors. Therefore, it's no surprise that there are a lot of "punk police" available monitoring whether bands like ours fit the stereotype, and match their dogmatic view of acceptability. They exhibit the same behavior as the academic clones who graduate by the thousands each spring, prepared to discriminate against others who challenge their learned ideology. The letter I received two weeks ago from that disgruntled fan was sadly similar to the persecution I felt in high school in the stoners. It is also a shining illustration of how easy it is to follow the party line and advocate unoriginal, thoughtless sentiments, which motivates me all the more to provoke.
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