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As an Ex-Skinhead, who wore his boots and braces with pride for several years, i would like to congratulate yourself on an excellent guide entry. This is a very good attempt to explain Skinhead roots and the divisions which have developed through the years between racist and anti racist Skinheads. Before i pick up on several points, could i just ask - are you an American or a Canadian? This really is of no concern but it would explain the basis of the research. I'd rather not be too critical, i really do think you have done a fantastic job, BUT (don't you just hate it when individuals do this!)you seem to rehash material that's been kicking about upon us Skinhead sites for a long time. A lot of it's second, third and fourth hand information. For example,up to very recently, there is no such concept like a 'Traditional' Skinhead in Britain. During the 70's and 80's we we're just Skinheads. You were either a skinhead or else you weren't. Any divisions were entirely political, between racist and none racist Skinheads. All of us pretty much looked exactly the same. 'Trad' Skin is definitely an entirely american idea in line with the misconception that somewhere way back in the day, their was some perfect model of a non racist, apolitical, clothes peg Skinhead. If there is, i never met him and no hundreds of Boot Boys i knew all over the country ever met him. I could go on forever here but rather than do that, can one direct you to definitely two pages that fit my view. My final point (I could continue forever on this subject, it returns a lot of good memories!) is indisputable fact that the original Skinheads were not racists. This really is in line with the indisputable fact that skinheads paid attention to black music, therefore they cannot often be racist. This can be a downright ludicrous notion. In 1969, most British working class people held racist ideas. Most working class youths listened to one type of black music or any other. Skinheads were exactly the same. That is not say they acted on these ideas or belonged to facist organisations. Most of the Skinheads i grew up with and met in the early years,[url=http://rogervivieroutlets.webmium.com/][b]roger vivier discount for Discount[/b][/url], held some racist beliefs. That's a fact. Skinheads were a mass of contradictions and for the most part their racism turned out be be superficial. Throughout the 70's, when the Nazi National front began recruiting Skinheads,[url=http://merrellfootwearsizechart.webmium.com/][b]http://merrellfootwearsizechart.webmium.com/[/b][/url], it was easy to argue against racist beliefs. The background music we lstened to was just one factor in that. There's so much more i wish to say but i've gone on for too long again. Interesting time. They always seemed to be middle class kiddies rebelling against mummy and daddy (Someone will most likely take offence at this!). The majority of the Skins in my area didn't know such a Ben Sherman was, not to mention own one. I believe outside of London, everything came later. The boots we used to wear were Tuff T's work boots. These were cheap and you could get them anywhere. I think the main reason a lot of the new Skins say the originals weren't racist happens because they're sick of being labelled as racist thugs themselves. The problem is, they've put two and 2 together and are available track of five. What they don't understand is how different society was during the 60's and 70's. In the last Two decades individuals have be tolerant. I remember going to reggae dances in Leeds with black kids and everyone got on fine. I was all in to the same music but people still used racist language. I just think the whole things less easy as many people make out. But it is vital that you be honest about these things if you're ever likely to convince anyone you are what you say you're. There' go again, waffling on again! Nice to satisfy you Flip. JJ
To be sure. If the primary music of Skinhead is Ska and Ska is part and parcel to be a Skinhead, then how is it possible to become a Nazi and a Skinhead? Ska is essentialy a musical form with black Jamaican roots. It was brought to Britain by immigrants from Jamaica but Fascists believe that all immigrants (and descendants of immigrants) should be repatriated. Additionally they have confidence in the superiority of the white race and 'White Culture'. These were (but still are) the basic principles of European Fascist politics. Take these factors into consideration along with a Nazi Skinhead turns into a contradiction in terms if the Nazis had their way, what we should currently call a Skinhead would not have existed. Nevertheless the Facists attempt to twist and distort Skinhead, there isn't any escaping the truth that the initial Skins listened to black music. The music is the only true constant,[url=http://duveticaukoutlet.halod.com/][b]Duvetica Down Jackets[/b][/url], the one thing that united us and gave us our identity. As you correctly stated, the beliefs held by Skinheads simply reflect the society in which we lived. As working class kids we held exactly the same ideas as other working class people.
I'm not sure what your point is Camlin but I wasn't trying to fool anyone. I'd be rather happy to concede that Skinheads might be a violent bunch. I certainly wouldn't describe that part of my life as 'cosy'. Like a young skinhead, i frequently recieved good hidings from kids who had more hair than me. There were always plenty of fights between Skins from different towns. Sometimes it felt like violence was a way of life. But there is (but still is) more to being a Skinhead than beating people up or getting beaten up. For most of us, it had been about taking pride in the way we dressed and also the music we listened to.
i had been a skinhead from 79 to 85 ,the way i remember it i was very violent and also to me and the mob i had been with not to say all the other firms we knew were into aggro more than music actually the entire point of the skinhead movement was to cause trouble and fight and im glad to express me and my mates did plenty of that. we fouht one another , mods ,punks ,[url=http://woolrichjacket.webmium.com/][b]Woolrich Jackets[/b][/url],blacks and then about the main enemy was the casuals. as for the politics ithink most skins i knew were a little racist but which was the one thing in the early 80s it had been almost a thug fashion specialy for those of us that visited football. but it was union jacks not swastikas for me personally however i must admit a lot of my mates were into the nazi thing and when skrewdriver reformed and the early oi bands split up it had been more an instance of geezers in black shirts and combat trousers that knew nothing about skinheads and plenty about hitler that took the culture and ruined it forgetting the working class origins and tradition of wild youth getting pissed and haveing punch ups for a laugh not really a cause
what up. this really is ruthie in cc. i def accept your points but some shit you say may mislead or confuse. the race issue, i recieve what you're saying. i'm able to say n****r or spic and know the type i'm talking about. not too race is an issue with skins (traditional, sharp,or whatever you'd like to call yourself cwo.) i believe they simply hate stereo types generally. just have another outlook on life. like a hippie who's a pushover due to love, i have difficulties with hate, and so i fight, and i won't stop being violent. it is a way of life. but mad props on explaining the politics of it all. i just had a conversation about this yesterday when i was getting drunk. i got a little loud because i hate the appearance on people's faces when i state skin "oh my heavens" grab your kids it is a racist. silly f***s. anyway take care drink a beer or 2 or 3 .
I hate to generalize, but a lot of people who aren't skinheads who are my friends tend to generalize too. I made friends with this girl this past year, and she or he found out I had been a skinhead, after which it was like the whole skinhead thing was important to talk about. She'd say things like "I told my friend yesterday that I was friends having a skinhead and he almost DIED. Can you believe it? I had been polishing my boots and my mate and her friend were over, and also the friend asked me why I was polishing my boots. I was polishing them because they are my pride and joy and I want them to look good My mate piped along with, "Well, he's a skinhead,[url=http://rogerviviershoesneimanmarcus.blogspot.com/][b]http://rogerviviershoesneimanmarcus.blogspot.com/[/b][/url], and skinheads need to have really shiny boots." It seems that everything anyone else does normally, we only do because we're skinheads. Before I claimed I was a skinhead I was something of a rebel without a cause. In class, I was always searching for some way of life to connect with because all of the crap I had seen before that had got me nowhere. one religion or system of beliefs seemed as empty and stupid as the second. I knew what shitheads most of the world is composed of and that i wanted to separate myself from this, but I didn't know how. I do not think I possibly could have at that time either; I had been pretty clueless in senior high school. Be that as it may, I suppose it follows that after I met some skinheads and realized the things they were about, I found know what I was intended to be. My take on the main reason anyone ought to be a skinhead is really a matter of attitude. Basically it's losing the juvenile bullshit that many of the world partakes in daily, and becoming seriously interested in your lifetime. Of course that means getting seriously interested in having fun too. I guess that's why I have such discriminating taste. It had been the image, look, and lifestyle. The appearance that meets me and that i find appealing in others. Hardness tempered having a brain. I'm able to talk myself out of a fight but I'll stand my ground after i have to The garments look f*****g brilliant. A sense of owned by something that In my opinion is worthwhile. Life can be impersonal enough even in Ireland and also the recognition between skins is relief from this. The music =though I additionally like Techno I also feel you need to correct the concept that all skins aren't boneheads as we're not. I am not a youngster anymore but at 37 a lot of the angst and relative insecurity of youth went to become substituted for even stronger conviction. I remember the skins in '69 and also the 2nd wave and hope the movement never dies. A right wing "robotic army" plays no part in most this. Skinheads, no matter their political, sexual, or religious persuasion, or lack of, do have lives which, while they may differ out of your own principles and ideals, aren't any less valid then those of any other person in society in particular. As you may not agree with their lifestyle, remember that there's bound to be someone who doesn't approve of yours either. While the popular media enjoys its love/hate relationship with Skinheads, almost consistently =portraying them as sub-literate, unemployed racists having a fondness for hiring themselves out as bodyguards/storm troopers for that Neo-Nazis, this can be a gross distortion from the truth. Beginning of the skinhead movement While there are many theories about the origins of skinheads, something most Skinheads concur is the skinhead movement did not start with racism. Nor has it taken completely over, Skinhead behaviour was designed to symbolize tough, patriotic, anti-immigrant, working-class attitudes. But slowly racist and Neo-Nazi beliefs also started to become popular among many of the Skinheads. This racist and chauvinist attitude that prevailed at that time amongst some Skinheads later become a crude type of Nazism. Skinheads drew public notice for their bigotry and taste for violence by their frequent assaults on Asian immigrants. Attacks which came into existence known as "Paki-bashing." The Skinhead movement in England began within the mid-'60s as an anti-hero movement against the "soft'' mod and hippie scenes. There have been loads of, tattooed teenagers in docs doctor martins starting to spend time in the streets. Skinheads felt mod-rock groups such as The Paul Revere and also the Raiders and Herman's Hermits, previously shared a closeness that didn't appear in rock and roll,[url=http://kevindurantshoesforsale.blogspot.com/][b]kevin durant shoes for sale[/b][/url], but through the late '60s, skinheads felt the background music world was "ripe for change." The English skinheads hailed from the same area that previously saw the rise of the mods. Because the mod rockers saw walls rise between themselves and also the pop stars they imitating. Enlisting music lovers with a harder edge than "soft'' mods, whose stars had adopted more pompous images. The point of reference between skinheads and mod rockers will vary. The mods were tied up with pop music. The skins are linked with more aggressive music oi and soccer. Rock and roll wasn't the only musical influence from the skinhead movement. Many Jamaicans immigrated to England throughout the mid- to late '60s. Jamaican music for example rocksteady, ska and reggae became popular with already angry working-class youths. Because this was also during the high tide of the first wave of skinheads in England, the reggae of the time came into existence referred to as "skinhead reggae." Jamaican bands were singing concerning the skinheads well before the term was associated with racism. "Noah Wildman," label manager from the New York-based Moon Ska Records. Said "the Jamaican influence was huge, the skinhead movement wasn't just limited to" young, angry white men." It wasn't unusual to have a few black skinheads in the late '60s. In fact, some skinheads became so associated with Jamaican music the name was put into "reggae" to make the music sell better during the late '60s and early '70s. Tracks like . SKINHEAD MOONSTOMP~ SYMARIP SKINHEAD TRAIN ~ THE CHAMERS SKINHEADS A BASH THEM ~ CLAUDETTE THE CORPORTATION SKINHEAD SPEAKS HIS MIND ~ The ROD ALL STARS SKINHEAD A MESSAGE For you ~ DESMOND RILEY SKIHEAD REVOLT ~ JOE THE BOSS SKINHEADS DON'T FEAR ~ THE HOT ROD ALL STARS In those days, some of the bigger names in skinhead reggae were performers such as "Derrick Morgan,[url=http://discountmerrellshoes.webmium.com/][b]discount merrell barefoot shoes discount merrell shoes online shop[/b][/url]," "Toots and also the Maytals" and "Nicky Thomas". Morgan is famous by many as "the king of skinhead reggae." But many of these artists were also labelled as ska, bluebeat or rocksteady acts. There were very few strictly 'skinhead' reggae artists, Most real skinhead artists were pretty obscure. Other early artists included "Derrick Harriot", "Lord Creator", "The Upsetters", "The Viceroys",[url=http://duveticaukoutlet.halod.com/][b]Duvetica Jackets UK Outlet[/b][/url], and "Desmond Decker". But skinhead reggae, at its original inception, proved to be rather short-lived. Black performers never wholly rejected the scene, even if the skinheads were branded as racists. Skinhead reggae saw its heyday from 1968-71. Similar to all other types of music, did not remain stagnant. While all skinheads has been labelled for his or her racist views, the performers of skinhead reggae knew the truth. At first, it was quite a well-kept secret and served the underground music scene. When "Trojan Records" and skinheads brought it to the masses, the background music changed for the worse. The brand new Rasta ideologies began to become prevalent in the music. Skinhead reggae continues to be one of the more obscure scenes in the music world. But there's still a crowd that exists. Once skinhead music became wide spread on major labels such as Trojan Records, the background music degenerated. This was the purpose when the break between skinheads and the reggae scene occurred. Rastafarianism and Hippie ideals such as peace, love and pot-smoking became endemic themes of reggae much towards the annoyance of the skinheads. This inevitably led to the demise of the first wave of skinheads. While original skinheads continued to hear reggae artists, it's a small sub-scene that exists inside the ska scene. Politics infested the skinhead cult, and skinheads became associated primarily with racism. The glory times of the first wave of skinheads and its reggae were gone. "Traditional skins" began a major comeback within the late 1980s, at about the time of the waning of the power of Skinheads against Racial Prejudice. Within the late 1980's several skinheads got together in NYC to form the very first chapter of "Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice". SHARP had three main objectives: to teach the general public about true skinhead culture, to expose the bonehead Impostors for which they are really, and also to drive the boneheads from their communities by any means necessary. Bonehead is a derogatory term used by Traditional and other Skins to denote any Skinhead who holds to racist or White Power beliefs,[url=http://duveticadeutschlandshop.halod.com/][b]Duvetica Deutschland[/b][/url], as well as those Neo-Nazis who have adopted the skinhead "look" in an attempt to hijack the movement. The brand new York chapter was quickly successful and soon chapters sprang up elsewhere as news spread. Today SHARP is the most predominant anti-racist skin group around and you will find "SHARP" chapters all over the world, along with other anti-racist skinhead }. It is important to note "SHARP" did not weaken because of a victory by the forces of racism but rather because SHARP became obsolete, because the number of "Traditional Skins" was on the rise and were not racist,[url=http://rogerviviershoesneimanmarcus.blogspot.com/][b]Roger Vivier Flats[/b][/url], "SHARP" lost popularity. Even during the time period between the mid-'70s to the late '80s, most skinheads were not racists. That was just a popular image the skinheads were labelled with. Their original style of dress and behaviour was meant to symbolize tough,[url=http://cheapindoorsoccershoesonline.blogspot.com/][b]cheap soccer cleats[/b][/url], patriotic, working-class attitudes, the Skinhead look is easily recognizable: a shaved head or very short hair; jeans; thin suspenders braces; combat boots or Doc Martens lace colours- NF white - Anti NF yellow, although this does not matter now but in the 80s it had been a very important things in cites in Ireland/England a bomber jacket, Fred Perry tops, Ben Sherman shirts and sta pressed Levi's. Also by the mid 70's and the late 80s punk had put the rebellion back in rock-and-roll,[url=http://duveticaukoutlet.halod.com/][b]Duvetica UK[/b][/url], opening a new avenue for street kids to express their frustrations. The shifting mindset brought kids into the skinhead movement as yet another form of expression. By the late 70's punk had been invaded by the colleges, and record labels, letting down kids who truly believed in its rebellion. From the streets came a new kind of punk rock, a type which was meant to be true to the working class and the kids on the street. This new music was called "Oi!" deriving from cockney slang it is a shortening of the Greek 'oi polloi' or common people. No other means of communication neither the spoken nor written word compares with oi music's influence on their outlook and behaviour. Music is the Skinhead movement's main propaganda weapon and its chief means of attracting young recruits into its ranks. Skins maintain universal ties through their music, distributing recordings internationally and organizing concert tours and music fests that feature both domestic and foreign bands. Oi! Is a melodic type of punk-rock which originated in Britain around 1980 and has since spread throughout the world. punk-rock with a message/theme of "social realism"). A lot of the press, who courted the original wave of punk-rock, wholly ignored or wrote-off what was soon to be called Oi! As a "thug-rock," and thus insured unfair treatment of the genre right from the start. Around 1980,[url=http://kevindurantshoesforsale.blogspot.com/][b]kevin durant shoes[/b][/url], bands like the "4-Skins" (East London), "Infa Riot" (North London),[url=http://cheapindoorsoccershoesonline.blogspot.com/][b]cheap indoor soccer shoes online[/b][/url], "The Last Resort" (Herne Bay), "Red Alert" (Sunderland), "The Business" (South London) and "Blitz" (Manchester) began to pop-up all across Great Britain. This phenomenon of strikingly similar-minded, yet unrelated bands was quickly clumped together as "Oi!" by Sounds journalist "Gary Bushell" sun newspaper, taking the name from the classic "Cockney Rejects" song, "Oi! Oi! Oi!" Bushell not only gave Oi! Its name, he compiled and gave the world the first Oi! Compilation,[url=http://kevindurantshoesforsale.blogspot.com/][b]jordans shoes for sale[/b][/url], called "Oi! The Album"(released by EMI injunction with Sounds magazine). "Oi! The Album" set the precedent for the compilation as an important part of the Oi! Movement, as witnessed by the release of countless Oi!-focused compilations world-wide ever since its release. Musically, Oi!, Is generally distinguished by melodies, terrace-style backing vocals and a pace/tempo more suitable for pogoing and singing along, than slam-dancing and stage-diving. Together with ska and reggae, Oi! Forms the musical focus of the "Traditional Skinhead" subculture, and together with hardcore and classic punk-rock, it forms the musical focus of the punk subculture. hardcore scene, evidenced by such classic American hardcore bands like "Agnostic Front", "7 Seconds", "Youth Brigade" and "Negative Approach" citing Oi as a huge influence. 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